Question:
Evolution is proved wrong? Since when?
anonymous
2009-04-27 15:13:38 UTC
So I just got done watching a movie in biology about all these people arguing whether or not evolution is real. And so when my mom asked I told her it was interesting and it sounds possible, than she got upset and lectured me about how it's proven wrong.

Well, I was telling my friend about what my mom said the next day in school and another kid chimed in and said "Evolution has been proved wrong. When Darwin was dying they took a video of him and he said how he made it all up"

and so I said "and you've seen this video?"

and he said his teacher showed it to him in 8th grade. So, is this true? and why is it not in the news and all over the place if it is? and why do they still teach it?
Twelve answers:
Dina Felice
2009-04-27 15:43:51 UTC
Darwin died in 1882, the first sound experiments in film weren't until 1894 (and it didn't become common until much later), so not only is there no video, it would be impossible for there to be a video. Your friend is either misremembering or lying (I suspect the first option since I don't think your friend would have flat-out lied to you in this context).



The idea that Darwin recanted on his deathbed has been refuted hundreds of times: Darwin was a serious man with a background in theology and science and took his ideas very seriously. He only made them public after years of self-scrutiny, so the idea that he would change his mind is bizarre.



That being said, if Darwin *had* recanted, it would *not* prove evolution wrong. Darwin was one man. Yes, he helped propel the theory of evolution forward by his concept of natural selection, but most of the evidence for evolution has been discovered since Darwin's death. And it is that evidence, rather than the testimony of one guy, that leads us to accept evolution today.



Many people (including your mom, from the sound of it) feel threatened by the theory of evolution. They think, erroneously, that to accept evolution is to reject G-d or the bible. (I've never understood why they think that: the bible says "G-d is our rock"...that doesn't mean that He is made out of granite.) So, rather than deal with it on the scientific level, they say things like "Darwin recanted" (untrue) or "it's just a theory" (which demonstrates immense ignorance over what a theory is) or "evolution is a religion" (untrue and bizarre).



Keep studying. Go to YouTube and watch videos by cdk007 (http://www.youtube.com/user/cdk007) and DonExodus2 (http://www.youtube.com/user/DonExodus2). And keep asking questions.



When you said "So, is this true? and why is it not in the news and all over the place if it is? and why do they still teach it?", you were asking the exact right kind of questions. You were saying "this doesn't make sense...so what's really going on?" That is the most important kind of question to ask, not just in science, but in life.
charcinders
2009-04-27 22:32:24 UTC
A lot of people don't like the idea of evolution because they don't like the idea of us being animals, or being related to apes and monkeys. Sometimes it's because they think it conflicts with the Bible, which it does, but that's only a problem if you believe every word in the Bible is the actual truth (Adam & Eve, the Ark, and so on).



Evolution has not been proved wrong. Just about every biologist in the world thinks it happened.



You know Charles Darwin died in 1882 don't you? They didn't even have moving pictures then, let alone videos!



And science doesn't work by one guy saying "this is how everything is" and everyone just believes him. The way it works is, one guy says "this is how I think it is, what do you think?", and then all the other scientists try to find problems in his theory. If they can't find any major problems with it after lots of research, then it is accepted as being true, unless someone comes along with a better idea.
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2009-04-27 22:28:10 UTC
Evolution though never confirmed has not been proven incorrect, and to date it is the most likely scientific explanation for the different forms of animals. To start off all animals in the world share about 98% of the same DNA. This includes: snails, snakes, dogs, cats, fish and humans. It is very likely that over an unknown period of time these animals naturally adapted themselves to become better at surviving. This is called natural selection, where only the fittest survive. Evolution is probably true. Ask your friend and mom how all the animals really did come around, the answer will probably be God created them, and if you believe in god there is almost no point in trying to argue anything that is scientific because there is no way to win and argument thats how basis is: because He commanded it.
anonymous
2009-04-27 22:24:37 UTC
It is not disproven. You've just been hearing the opinions of creationists. For one thing, Darwin never confessed to making it up; you can't make up a scientific theory, it has to be proven with evidence. Another thing - films were still in black and white and had no sound when Darwin died. What that kid saw was probably a pro-creationist video someone made.



Now, I don't know how religious you are, but I'd advise you to read the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation-evolution_controversy) on this debate and see what your view is. Personally, I find that there is more evidence for evolution.
novangelis
2009-04-27 22:36:09 UTC
As you can see, evolution denial is a system of lies that has mushroomed out of control. Evolution has not been proven wrong. There was no video when Darwin died. Darwin recanting and evolution being proven wrong (and the scientific community failing to notice) are common lies which keep getting retold and embellished.



If your friend was told by his teacher that there was video of Darwin recanting, that teacher should be fired with the greatest amount of prejudice and never be allowed near a student again.
Nimrod
2009-04-28 00:58:45 UTC
First of all, evolution exists. Look it up. Wikipedia starts with the modern definition of biological evolution. Evolution means change over time. The thing that is changing is the relative abundance of different bits of DNA in a population over time. Anyone with the proper tools can go out and measure evolution. It takes incredible ignorance and denial to believe that evolution does not exist. Evolution is a natural phenomenon that is observable, measurable, quantifiable and predictable.



However, there is a great deal of scientific illiteracy and people do not understand how science works. I can't address all that is so distressingly wrong about your mom's reaction but it illustrates so clearly the difference between "knowing" by science and religion.



Before science, what people "knew" of the universe came from dogma. There were creation myths and just-so stories that explained how and why everything came to be. The absolute truth was already known and no questioning is allowed.



By contrast, science deals with the limitation of our understanding. Scientists realize that what we do understand is only a tiny portion of what is going on in nature. Scientists always put limits on how far they can apply the models (theories) and always realize that these models can fail if pushed beyond these limits. Scientists use the tools of critical thinking to increase our knowledge and understanding where as the religious view is that the truth is already known and there is no questioning of the good word.



The religious also attack the person most associated with evolution as if that somehow invalidates the entire body of knowledge collected over 150 years. Why would Darwin saying "Never mind, I take it all back" have any bearing on all that we have learned and improved upon to better understand biological systems? [BTW, look up when video and audio recording devices were invented. This is a lie spread by fanatics to attack Darwin's work. The religious are notorious for lying, torturing, killing to silence those with opposing viewpoints]. Scientists do not have prophets where the ultimate truth is laid down and must be obeyed for all time. We are using the previous work of great thinkers and extending it, making their ideas better.



We do not celebrate Darwin because he knew everything about biology and gave us the Gospel of Charles. Darwin didn't know anything about modern biology. He did not know how traits were transmitted between generations. He knew nothing about molecular biology which provides the strongest evidence for evolution by natural selection. We celebrate him because every new discovery in biology, every experiment run over 150 years is consistent with the ideas he first proposed.



The religious viewpoint is to venerate prophets. Religions have special persons gifted with a privileged knowledge. These prophets/priests have the true understanding and we are told to accept their teachings forever and ever. If a prophet recants on his death bed, then the religious story falters so it is reflexive for the religious to do the same of scientists.



Newton was wrong. His model of the universe breaks down when pushed to high velocity, or small sizes or strong gravitational fields. Einstein came along and improved Newtons model. But, even Einstein's model is wrong. It breaks down at small distances. But, we don't try to make up stories against Einstein or deny Relativity to keep to the dogma of Newton. Scientists are constantly trying to push their models to the limit where they fail. Scientists WANT to find situations where the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection does not work. Scientists seek situations where theories fail because that is the way we discover new things. That is the only way to push our understanding of the universe. If someone found a situation where the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection did not work, then it would be celebrated. It would be Nobel Prize worthy. The news would be splashed about for all. Don't you think that if the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection was clearly demonstrated to fail, more people than just the religious and scientifically illiterate would know about it? It is taught because Evolution is a Fact. Evolution happens. The BEST explanation for how and why evolution happens is the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection. This theory is the foundation of all modern biology which is why it is still taught.
DrJ
2009-04-27 22:28:40 UTC
Darwin died in 1882. The first movie camera was invented in 1895 and that was a "silent" technology.



Another point, evolution does not **rest** on a single person. It is a body of knowledge. For example, in Watson's autobiography (DNA scientist), he indicated that if he and Crick hadn't discovered the DNA structure, it was only a matter of time before another would discover it.



In fact another biologist, Wallace, came up with the same theory as Darwin's and they ***both*** published it in a joint paper before Darwin's Origin of Species was published.



You have to wonder about people who argue in this way.....
critterman51
2009-04-27 22:25:43 UTC
The kid is not so smart. The word video, and video tape did not exist when Darwin was alive. Photography was just being developed. Evolution has not been "proven" as right or wrong, but most EVIDENCE points to Evolution being true.
I luv you <3
2009-04-27 22:30:35 UTC
Evolution is all made up, it's a theory, an idea. Darwin guessed that man evolved from animals. But, why aren't monkey still evolving today? Darwin and evolutionists have absolutely no proof where the ameoba that started this whole process came from, and if this ameoba evolved into the first man, well, where did the woman come from? Did another ameoba evolve? It's not possibe for it to happen over to create a woman, it was an ACCIDENT. Also, we have no fossils of fish with legs, half man, half monkey creatures. If this all happened, there would be fossils EVERY WHERE!!! First off, think about it, let's say u want to build a motel airplane, are you going to throw it on the ground and wait for it "evolve" into a motel airplane, yah, that's not possible. The motel airplane has to have a creator, someone to design it, someone to plan what it will be. Let's face it, Evolution makes absolutely no sence when it comes right down to it. That's why I believe God created us, think back to the motel airplane, it has to have a creator, someone to make it and design it :)



I hope this helped!!!!
Dropkick
2009-04-27 22:23:02 UTC
It's true, thankfully they had fully functioning-easy to convert to vhs/dvd video cameras in 1882.



I have the video if you would like it
Riley M
2009-04-27 22:28:40 UTC
I see it like this, a lot can happen in a few minutes. Imagine a few million years!
Eric
2009-04-27 22:22:16 UTC
cuz their hatein on God


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